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Template:Episode counter

I've recently came across Template:Episode counter which was used in the |num_episodes= field of the infobox of an article. Is this something we want used in articles? Since the infobox should have a consistent look across the wiki, a Korean or reality series shouldn't seem that different. Currently all other articles typically just use a simple number for this. Gonnym (talk) 12:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a bit excessive. Primefac (talk) 15:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{Episode counter}} is just extraneous details we do not need on the infobox. A simple number is sufficient already for the |num_episodes= parameter. — YoungForever^(talk) 21:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see the need either. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with the above, unnecessary. -- Alex_21_TALK 00:15, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the template is now removed and not in use in any mainspace article, should it be delete? 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 14:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has been nominated for deletion. Primefac (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate field

@Gonnym: In your latest change you added duplicate label54 and related fields. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching that. Fixed. Gonnym (talk) 09:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Studio section in infobox

Per this talk page discussion, should there be a separate field that lists a studio producing a series live-action or animated? They have nothing to do with production companies, and besides, some shows have logos of companies that are not production companies at all. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 05:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the difference between a studio producing a series and a production company? - adamstom97 (talk) 06:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The studio is responsible for the production of quality of a product, while the production company responsible for supervising the production process. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you understand that an animation studio is not a production company. There is a past discussion about not including animation studios in the infobox. Please see Template talk:Infobox television/Archive 14#Parameter clarification. — YoungForever^(talk) 07:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know that an animation studio is a studio in all, not a production company. Plus, even in the live-action field the pipelines of a studio and a production company are different. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should only apply to shows that were subcontracted, not the ones that were actually co-productions. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 03:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides, it's not fair to assume that every animated show like Arthur, the Beetlejuice cartoon, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic were subcontracted like The Simpsons and King of the Hill instead of co-production without solid evidence. Because of this unfair new guideline, I can't even watch these shows anymore and I don't mean watching the articles on them. - FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should the only exception be 20th Television Animation? they are not a subcontractor animation studio. Jediknight15 (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no exception. A company is or is not the studio producing the show. If it is, add it. If it isn't, do not. Gonnym (talk) 06:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

they technically do count on the same grounds as Searchlight Pictures. Jediknight15 (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starring actors

How to determine starring actors? Is it by opening and ending credits or by billing poster or by official website or by reliable sources? What if there's differences between those? This for Korean dramas by the way. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 15:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US shows have onscreen credits in the opening. If Korean dramas have the same, use that. Gonnym (talk) 15:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about the onscreen credits.

Thank you Gonnym. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 15:25, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Gonnym, a follow up question, so is onscreen credits has more WP:WEIGHT than others? I'm asking this as another user have different point of view of how starring cast list should be in Queen of Tears. See my talk page. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 10:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the country, I guess. In the US market, the on screen credits for television productions is what we go by. If Korea does it differently then follow that. However, I would say that I find it strange that they would have a different order on screen and on a poster. Is there a specific example for this? Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of Tears is an example for it, onscreen credits shows the ensemble cast while the poster shows the names of two main actors only. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 11:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And are the first two names from the on screen credits, the same two names from the poster? Gonnym (talk) 12:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's right. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 13:11, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So there really isn't an issue here. The poster for lack of space lists the 2 top billed cast, the TV episode itself lists the entire cast. They are all starring. Gonnym (talk) 13:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Windborne Rider. I apologize for not noticing this discussion earlier. Starring actors are usually determined by billing poster for Korean dramas, which is why I made the edit. Wheezythewave (talk) 06:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's alright but as far as I know is that billing poster are mostly use in films rather than in dramas. And that is why I brought up this discussion because of the different approach when there's already a pre-existing guidelines. 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 07:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I believe it was already discussed back in April that generally only the main cast in the infobox is listed for korean dramas. If you check the other pages as well. Wheezythewave (talk) 18:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dialogues and Lyrics credits

At Category:Temp infobox television tracking category usages of "Dialogues" and "Lyrics" are tracked. As you can see, there are over 400 pages that use this credit. From checking a few, this seems to be an Indian-unique credit. We should either support and add these two credits, or remove their usages. But there is no point in ignoring this and having this incorrect usage style continue. Gonnym (talk) 13:19, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please Add "Production Designer" to Crew Section

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Hi there! I was trying to edit the template to add production designer names to some film and tv shows with exceptional production design, only to find out it's not an editable attribute.

As an art department professional with 20 years experience working in film and television, and member of the Art Directors Guild (Local 800) representing Production Designers and Art Directors internationally, I want to request that Production Designer be added to the info box below Cinematographer. In Film and TV production, the Production Designer is hired at the beginning of the project and is part of the "Holy Trinity" of the project. This is the Director, Cinematographer and Production Designer. The PD often scouts to find the locations of sets or creates concept drawings and renderings before the Director and Cinematographer are even on the ground. Ultimately, the three of them will collaborate on the look of the film.

Not having the Production Designers listed at the top next to films like Wicked, Back to the Future, Star Wars, Batman (1989), Astroid City, Blade Runner, etc, seems egregious since they are largely responsible for creating the iconic worlds that are often as memorable as the characters themselves. Also, many of these designers have their own Wikipedia page, including Nathan Crowley, Rick Carter, Robert Stromberg, to name a few.

Please consider adding a space for the Production Designer so they can be properly credited for the massive contribution they add to the final film.

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ReactionFilms (talk) 03:23, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"T:ITV" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect T:ITV has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 13 § T:ITV until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]